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  1. Lastpikd

    Lastpikd New Member

    Yes, I use the splitters then. I don't see how you can connect both lights to the power supply if you don't use them.
     
  2. Turbo

    Turbo Does not really look like Johnny Carson Staff Member Site Owner Multiple Units! Customer

    You would connect as described in the manual, without using the splitters - connect the 2 fixtures in series (one male connector to the female on the other fixture) and connect the remaining connectors to the driver. This operates the fixtures at full current / high power mode

    Using the splitters operates the 2 LED boards in parallel / low power mode - 50% of the current goes through one board, 50% through the other board (current divider)

    You are operating at low power mode, and still getting yellow growth, so I would not switch over to high power mode.
     
  3. Lastpikd

    Lastpikd New Member

    I don't know if I would say it's yellow. It's more olive. I just know that it's not the green hair algae that we are going for.
     
  4. Lastpikd

    Lastpikd New Member

    So should I back off the amount of time? Should I just keep doing what I'm doing and see how it goes? Should I feed more. I only have a few fish. They probably get half a cube a day or so.
     
  5. Turbo

    Turbo Does not really look like Johnny Carson Staff Member Site Owner Multiple Units! Customer

    What you're going for is results. Growth type is a close secondary. If you are only lightly loaded, yes I would cut back. I would not feed more just for the purpose of growing more algae in an attempt to get green hair algae.

    If you are running an L2 and only feeding 1/2 cube/day, I would recommend 6 hours/day of lights at full power, or 10-12 hours/day at half power. I recommend the longer photoperiod at lower intensity. "lower" is kind of relative. Compared to CFL, the LEDs even at 1/2 power are more intense.
     
  6. Lastpikd

    Lastpikd New Member

    I took pictures of my last cleaning with lights at 18 hours. I'm going to throttle back after this next cleaning in a week or so.

    I'm having a small cyano outbreak right now. I'm kinda worried that it is going to get worse. Right now it's not big piles but it more stringy attachments to rock, frag plugs, and the white tips of some of my stony corals. Any suggestions to head it off? I juat came back off a fallow period so this may just be the Eco system rebalancing again.
     
  7. Turbo

    Turbo Does not really look like Johnny Carson Staff Member Site Owner Multiple Units! Customer

    Are you sure it's cyano? Could it be dinoflagellates?

    Post some pics, let's be sure.
     
  8. Lastpikd

    Lastpikd New Member

    Ok, so here are a few pictures.

    The best picture I could get of the cyano/dino is on this frag plug. It is not coating everything as is usually the case seen when searching this type of algae. Its brownish in color and typically is kind of stringy. If its on the sand, usually its just one string of brown growth that wafts in the current.
     

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  9. Lastpikd

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    Here is also some growth that is in my sump. This white stringy growth, which im pretty sure is bacteria, gets on my glass, grows in my sump, on my overflow wall, and the rocks.
     

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  10. Lastpikd

    Lastpikd New Member

    Here is the pictures of my growth and scrapings from friday evening. I believe it had been 1 week and 1 day since last cleaning. Lights at 18 hours for the week. Im kinda confused on what to do about the time for the scrubber with this growth going on in the display as well. I want to keep the growth in the scrubber if I can while whatever that is growing in the display does its thing. Simply said, I just want to deal with 1 problem at a time.

    Also, I am not skimming at the moment. I would have to get creative with where my scrubber is located if I wanted to run the skimmer I have in the sump. I would most likely mount the scrubber above the overflow so it drains into that and down into the sump if that makes sense.
     

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  11. Lastpikd

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    and I know this is going to be the next question.

    Ammonia - 0 API
    Nitrite - 0 API
    Nitrate - 0 API
    Phos - 0.00 Hanna

    That is the first time that I have had a non detectable reading with the Hanna checker. I guess this would be a false reading as whatever is growing is using all available resources.
     
  12. Turbo

    Turbo Does not really look like Johnny Carson Staff Member Site Owner Multiple Units! Customer

    I think that looks like cyano. Not sure what the white stuff is though.

    I don't think that's a false reading, considering the algae growth you are getting on the scrubber. Pulling the Phos down from 0.37 on 8/24 to 0.02 on 12/4 and now zero, that's not out of the ordinary.

    Cyano is one of those things that can also be a phase. Cyano has the ability to make it's own fuel to a certain extent, it extracts it from the surroundings, which is why it's one of those buggars to get rid of. Give it some time, and leave the scrubber right where it is.

    Cyano and Dinos usually come after a change to the stability of the tank. Going fallow and then ramping up again can cause this, but it should go away on it's own eventually

    You might have to emplore a daily routine to keep it from affecting your corals until it "burns out"; something like this;

    1) blow off rocks/corals with power head daily
    2) net anything you can that is floating around in the tank afterwards, using a brine shrimp net
    3) siphon out everything you can. Use a piece of hard airline tubing (like for an undergravel filter) and connect soft airline tubing to it and use that as a "probe" to get to the cyano without putting your arm all the way into the tank. You can pinch off the hose when not siphoning. I was able to go over my 120g tank in 20 minutes only removing 1/2 gallon or so of water using this technique.
    4) run a filter sock for a few hours after blowing off, then rinse it out and optionally put it back in (not required)
    5) run purigen and/or carbon, and optionally GFO. These can be in a media bag in the flow path in the sump, you don't need a fancy reactor. Turn the bag(s) daily.
    6) feed only the amount your fish can eat in 5 minutes, and do that towards the end of the daily light cycle if possible
    7) don't do any significant water changes, cyano can actually be fueled by water changes. You have to let it "burn out"
    8) I would not do a tank blackout unless it becomes a serious problem and threatens corals
    9) I would not change the light cycle. Actually I did the opposite when I had dinos, I let it run longer, theory being that high light and low feeding would burn it out quicker, I don't know if it did, but it went away even though that went against all logic.
     
  13. Lastpikd

    Lastpikd New Member

    Ill get a pic later of the day. Last night I looked at it closer to the end of the light cycle and it had that snotty look with an air bubble attached, much like a dino patch. It is in a bigger area than just the frag plug, but the frag plug seemed to show the best consistency at the time of the picture.

    Thanks for the assistance Bud!
     
  14. Lastpikd

    Lastpikd New Member

    Most of my tank has LPS corals. I have been reading about how they like some nutrients (dirtier water). Is it possible to make the algae scrubber less efficient?

    I guess my question stems from me trying to keep an elegance coral. I got one about a week ago and I wouldnt say its doing poorly, but it isnt doing great.
     
  15. Lastpikd

    Lastpikd New Member

    On that note, the cyano has burned itself out and ran its course. We are back to normal with no real algae problems.
     
  16. Turbo

    Turbo Does not really look like Johnny Carson Staff Member Site Owner Multiple Units! Customer

    Great! Another case to support my theory :)
    I see this question often, I don't know that you need to "dial back" the algae scrubber, or that LPS like "dirtier water".

    I think the "dirtier water" thing stems from people keeping ULN / ultra-clean systems for SPS corals, which is now seeming to be a dying theory - people are more and more promoting nitrate above zero and phosphate above zero as well, an limiting carbon and iron instead for heavy SPS growth.

    It's very likely that the "dirtier water" theory has nothing to do with what you think it does.

    What I will say is this: early on, I was told by SM that I wouldn't be able to keep my pulsating Xenia with the scrubber because the scrubber would make the water "too clean". That was dead wrong, I had a Xenia explosion, as well as other soft corals, and I continue to have tons of splitting and heavy growth with things like fuzzy mushrooms and xenia and anthilia, etc. Simply not removing particulates means your water is dirtier. So instead of running, say, a filter sock 24/7, run it one day a week (after you blow off rocks or clean glass, etc).

    What is more likely is that there is some kind of chemical allelopathy at play that is making your corals not open up. Running a very small amount of GAC and also GFO (like a few tablespoons) can mute these chemicals without "polishing" the water (these things don't remove particulates = food). Just drop a media bag in the sump in the path of water flow and turn it over often, and change it weekly - no reactor needed, unless you determine that you need to run it more aggressively in order to get corals to open up. Also this is a cheap way to test the allelopathy idea
     

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