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baddiesel's new L2 install

Discussion in 'Customer Support' started by baddiesel, Jun 9, 2013.

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  1. baddiesel

    baddiesel Member Customer

    There's not a lot to post, but thought I'd "chime-in" as a new member. I completed the installation yesterday, and I feel I know enough to be barely dangerous. Per my wife's suggestion (I rarely listen to her), I reduced the water flow on the Rio 1100+. The water curtain was flowing a bit much, according to my wife. Currently, the LED light timer is set for 18 hours "on", and 6 hours "off". Now, I'll have to just wait and see what happens. I love the Rio pump, it's very quite. My goal is to reduce/eleminate water changes, and eleminate GHA & cyano from my D.T. *Cheer's....:)
     
  2. Turbo

    Turbo Does not really look like Johnny Carson Staff Member Site Owner Multiple Units! Customer

    Reduce the lights to 9 hours/day. The LEDs are more intense and with zero screen growth, the LEDs will saturate whatever growth is there. The rio pump can be turned down at first until there is growth on the screen, then you can crank it up and it will flow more even. Initial flow will 'arc' across the screen as there is nothing to prevent that, so she's partially right :)
     
  3. baddiesel

    baddiesel Member Customer

    Thanks Turbo, I'll make the adjustments on the time when I return to my residence. I'm really impressed with the new ATS, it's a precise-constructed device!!! The sump area in my cabinet look's like some mad scientist's laboratory.
     
  4. baddiesel

    baddiesel Member Customer

    Now for another update: No visual growth of algae, or brown diatoms. Photo period has been reduced to 9 hrs per day (eg 1600-0100). I have reduced the water flow on the screen, but I'm having trouble with the new version-modified gate valve. I still have a ton of bubbles. The water level rose inside the box, but has not overflowed into the secondary drain. The flow out of my "main drain" is very-very strong. Shouldn't I be able to reduce, if not eliminate the bubbles coming out of the drain??? Thanks in-advance for your answers. *As a side note, I've been performing ~20% water changes weekly, in effort to "clean-up" my tank. I have installed brand new filters in my R.O./D.I., my water barrels are clean, TDS is 2 on the R.O. side, zero on the D.I. side. All frozen cubes are rinsed with RO/DI water prior to feeding fish.
     
  5. Turbo

    Turbo Does not really look like Johnny Carson Staff Member Site Owner Multiple Units! Customer

    Yeah the 18 hours really overpowered the screen. The next week should get you some base growth.

    As the screen fills in with algae, the water will run more smoothly and evenly down the screen. As first, the water rushes toward the end of the slot pipe and "arcs" across the screen, and dumps out a lot on the far end. This generally causes turbulence at the bottom of the box and the bubbles get sucked under the false bottom. One the screen fills in this will go away.

    In the meantime, do you have a small filter sock? Like a 4" diameter x 6" long or 8" long one? If so, rig up a couple zip ties around the handle and slide that over the drain, and loop the zip ties over the drain valve. I meant to throw this in the box when I shipped it to you but I completely spaced it off.

    You could also use a mesh media bag, and use the zip ties as above, but that will not work as well.

    The filter sock method will probably have to be used on the L4 at really high flow - the bubbles are really bad then, but completely gone with the filter sock added.
     
  6. baddiesel

    baddiesel Member Customer

    Hey thanks Turbo, I've got a filter sock and some mesh bags somewhere in my "historical archives", and I'll install it. Have a nice Father's Day weekend!!!
     
  7. baddiesel

    baddiesel Member Customer

    A quick update: I observed a light brown algae film in the corners of the screen last night. Currently, I've adjusted the timer to operate the LED lights 4 hours "on", and 4 hours "off".
     
  8. baddiesel

    baddiesel Member Customer

    "Houston, we have lift-off". I checked the ATS last night and I've got 2 brown water trails. There's some hints of green among the brown stuff. I haven't mastered the use of uploading photos on Tapatalk, but will do some research. I guess it's time to perform a light rinse-off, using RO/DI water and a light "finger-rub-off"??? Do you think I need to increase the flow on the pump?
     
  9. Turbo

    Turbo Does not really look like Johnny Carson Staff Member Site Owner Multiple Units! Customer

    Actually I have shifted my recommendations for cleaning to use saltwater if you can. For new screens, to get them started faster, you can just take them out, swipe your hand across the screen to remove the loosely attached algae, then reconnect everything. Maybe give it a gentle swish in a shallow pan of tank water (then throw that out).

    You don't need to rinse in FW or RODI unless you have a problem with pods eating the algae and causing detachment. I haven't seen this kind of thing in quite a while so it might have been solved by the emphasis on screen roughness. Regardless, you probably don't need to FW rinse until 2 months in, and then only every other cleaning probably. Still scrub and rinse the top edge and slot pipe though
     
  10. baddiesel

    baddiesel Member Customer

    Yesterday, I cleaned the screen for the first time. I had to use a brush, as my fingers were insufficient for algae removal. There's quite a bit more green than brown stuff growing, and it was impossible to rub off with your fingers. That's all for now, I'll keep you updated as events progress.
     
  11. Turbo

    Turbo Does not really look like Johnny Carson Staff Member Site Owner Multiple Units! Customer

  12. baddiesel

    baddiesel Member Customer

    Been very busy, sorry I haven't posted in awhile. I've been keeping up with weekly water changes, and testing water parameters. My ATS is now producing larger "tufts" of green turf algae-I think. It reminds me of boiled spinach. It's actually difficult to remove. At any rate, it's making great progress, cultivating itself on the screen. Today, I removed a small shrimp (1/4") during the ATS screen cleaning. My yellow wrasse went crazy chasing his gourmet treat. I implemented BRS-high capacity GFO to the phosban reactor, in efforts to reduce my phosphates, as the weekly 20-25 gallon water changes have no effect. Additional allied support have been mobilized in support of this war on GHA, cyanobacteria, and diatoms. The new recruits include: 50 cerith snails and 5 fuzzy chitons. I'll keep you posted as to their appetite for GHA (fact or fiction). Cheer's!!!
     
  13. baddiesel

    baddiesel Member Customer

    Just my thoughts, and another update from yesterday. My water parameters are all decent, except for phosphate. The API test still indicates 0.25 ppm. I will be ordering a Hanna Checker shortly. My arsenal of critters haven't touch the GHA.....? I know there hasn't been sufficient time for the GFO to accomplish anything, but I kinda thought that was the purpose for the ATS(?). I thought that if I added this device, and it grew green turf algae, and (with time) my phosphate level would decrease. Now, I'm under the impression that this device is used to "maintain" zero nitrates & zero phosphates, if given the correct "atmosphere" of parameters to accomplish the goals intended. I'm wondering if I might have to remove my LR that have sprouts of GHA on them and bath the rock in bleach, muratic acid, etc. Then, in order to rid my sand bed of cyano, I have to remove the sand, and bath it in bleach to kill it. I'm getting tired of weekly 20g-25g water changes, now the implementation of an ATS, now the addition of GFO and critters, and to no avail, my efforts are fruitless. I would have a better attitude, if I could see some progress. If I need to continue this workload, I need to rethink my goals and try just a Fish Only approach. I was trying to reduce the workload, not increase it.
     
  14. Garf

    Garf Member Trusted Member

    What's the system pH, ALK ?
     
  15. baddiesel

    baddiesel Member Customer

    System parameters: pH: 8.06, Temp: 79.2F, Sal: 1.024, Alk: 161.1ppm, Ca: 460ppm, PO4: 0.25ppm, Mg: 1320ppm, NO3: 0ppm. I cannot understand why my pH is so low. I dose 30ml of Ca & Alk daily.
     
  16. baddiesel

    baddiesel Member Customer

    Sorry folks, I was just "venting". I get frustrated when I don't see progress. I'm thinking about adding a kalkwasser reactor for top-off water, in order to raise my pH. I was thinking that phosphates have"leached" into the LR, and by raising my pH, this would help to lower the PO4 level. This idea is based upon an article written by Randy Holms-Farley. I've been very careful with feeding, my RO/DI water indicates a TDS of 2. I can't begin to tell you how clean I keep everything, including the sump. The only quick option I could think of, is removing the LR with GHA and soaking those pieces in muriatic acid, rinse & re-cure with saltwater. The sand should clean easily with bleach water, rinse with a garden hose, then rinse with RO/DI. From what I can tell, unless I wait 5-6 mos. These are the quickest "fixes" that I can execute.
     
  17. Turbo

    Turbo Does not really look like Johnny Carson Staff Member Site Owner Multiple Units! Customer

    Yeah, but then you're essentially killing everything in the tank. I would consider that a last ditch effort and IMO you're far off from that. Things take time to get in bad shape and take time to repair also. Keep that in mind
     
  18. baddiesel

    baddiesel Member Customer

    Okay, I'll give it some time.
     
  19. baddiesel

    baddiesel Member Customer

    Just a quick update, as I haven't posted anything in awhile. For past month, I have had exceptional growth. My NO3 & PO4 readings have been consistently zero but the GHA has still been thriving. Once a week, water changes and once a week, and once a week I hand pick the GHA off the rocks. In my quest to battle GHA, I have dispatched a large army of CUC. They haven't made much progress, so I have deployed 2 more tactics. One is the implementation of another sump with a plenum, 4" deep crush coral bed & a ball of Chaetomorphia and a bright LED light. Next, I dosed my Mg up to (currently) 2010 ppm with Kent marine Tech M. I will maintain this (no w/c) for 2 weeks and see what happens. Before I bumped up the Mg, I thoroughly cleaned the ATS screen. After one week, algae is already starting to grow back on the screen. I have not killed any livestock whatsoever, and the tank and sand bed actually look cleaner. I'll update you'll later.
     
  20. Turbo

    Turbo Does not really look like Johnny Carson Staff Member Site Owner Multiple Units! Customer

    Do you have a bryopsis problem, is that why you are dosing so much Mg?

    I would never thoroughly clean the screen, you want to leave all the holes filled in.

    You may have the tell-tale rock-leeching issue going on here. Recent discussions on the scrubber site have revealed this might be caused by a process called Bacterial Cleaving. The bacteria form a skin per se that allows them to access bound phosphate, releasing this for the algae to use. This process takes time and there's not much AFAIK that can speed it up, except maybe adding the right bacteria and increasing tank flow to pull the P away from the rocks, then using GFO to pull it out before algae can access it. This is all new and theoretical at this point though. But food for thought.
     

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